William Broomby and Mary Ann Douse

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William Broomby (b. 1818 in Nottingham), Flax Dryer, son of Thomas Broomby, Oil Miller, and [I believe], Hannah Gregory, married Mary Ann Douse (bap. 23 Jun 1818 at Holy Trinity Church, Hull), daughter of George Douse, Flax Dryer, and Hannah Hamilton, at St Mary's Church, Nottingham, on 25 Dec 1837.

William and Mary Ann had at least these nine children:

1. Hannah Amelia Broomby b. 1839 J Quarter in Nottingham Vol 15 P 615
2. Harriet Broomby b. 1841 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 15 Page 580. Died in 1842 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 15 Page 410
3. George Broomby b. 1843 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 15 Page 591
4. John Broomby b. 1846 in Derby, Derbyshire (No GRO record found.)
5. Mary Ann Broomby b. 1849 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 22 Page 523
6. William Broomby b. 1853 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 130
7. Tom Broomby b. 1855 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 107
8. Henry Broomby b. 1859 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 358
9. Joseph Broomby b. 1862 J Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 382

Although Hannah Amelia's birth is listed, with references, at FindMyPast, this record does not come up at the GRO. The records that are found at the GRO list the mother's maiden name as DOUCE, DOUSE or DOWSE.

In 1841, at Millintons Yard, St Mary, Nottingham, were William Broomby (23) Flax Dresser; Mary Broomby (22) Spinner and [Hannah] Amelia Broomby (1).

In 1851, at Robinsons Entry, 3, Princess Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, were William Broomby (33) Seed crushers journeyman; Mary Ann Broomby (31), George Broomby (7), John Broomby (5) and Mary Ann Broomby (1). Not found Hannah Amelia, who will have been 12 and may have been already out working.

In 1861, living in Spain Court, Boston, Lincolnshire, were William Broomby (43) Seed crusher foreman; Mary A Broomby (42), John Broomby (15), Mary Ann Broomby (11), William Broomby (8), Tom Broomby (5) and Henry Broomby (0).

In 1871, living in Calder Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire were William Broomby (53) Seed crusher; Mary Ann Broomby (53), William Broomby (17), Harry Broomby (10), Joseph Broomby (8) and Hannah Broomby (78) Grandmother, Widow, from Derbyshire. Presumably, calling her Grandmother means one of the children, most likely William Jnr, completed the Census return or responded to the enumerator and that this could well be William Snr's mother. 

In 1881, William Broomby (63) Cart owner (Carter) was living at Poulton Bridge, Poulton with Seacomb, Birkenhead, Cheshire with Mary Ann Broomby (62), Joseph Broomby (19) and Jane Broomby (15) 'Neice' (I believe was their granddaughter, Elizabeth Jane Broomby, daughter of John Broomby and Hannah Allcock).

William Broomby died aged 71, in 1889 J Qtr in WIRRAL Vol 08A Page 289.

Mary Ann Broomby died in 1890 M Qtr in BIRKENHEAD Vol 08A Page 428.

William Glew and Jane Clark

Humber keel - many details of their construction suggest that these fat regional wooden workboats were actually close relatives of the Viking long ships.

William Glew (b. 8 Jan 1816 in Crowle, Lincolnshire), Waterman of Wincolmlee, son of John Glew, Waterman, and Hannah Ludlam, married Jane Clark (bap. 15 Feb 1816 at St. Mary's, Sculcoates), of New George Street, daughter of George Clark, Joiner, and Hannah Hardy, on 17 Apr 1838 at St. Mary's, Sculcoates. Witnesses were Wm Taylor and Susannah Clark, who appeared to be Jane's sister.

William and Jane had two sons:

1. Thomas Glew b. 14 Aug 1839 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 22 Page 492, bap. 1 Sep 1839 in Sculcoates (presumably also at St Mary's)
2. William Glew b. 1841 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 22 Page 500, bap. 30 Jun 1841 also in Sculcoates

The mother's maiden name on both birth registrations was indeed CLARK. William Glew's occupation is described on both baptisms as Sloopman.

In 1841, Jane Glew (25) with Thomas Glew (1) was in the household of her parents at New George Street, Sculcoates. William was not listed and was presumably aboard his vessel. "Seamen on shore on census night were enumerated in the same way as the general public, in the place where they spent that night. There was no provision made for recording seamen at sea on census night." [Source]

In 1851, William Glew (35) Waterman was in the household of George Clark (76) Journeyman joiner and Hannah Clark (76) at 63, New George Street, Sculcoates with Jane Glew (35), Thomas Glew (11) and William Glew (9).

In 1861, William Glew (44) Captain, was aboard the vessel, "Cousin Mary", Keel, then located at Oaks Colliery, Ardsley, Barnsley, South Yorkshire with Jane Glew (44) and Hannah Glew (4) Granddaughter (Thomas' eldest child).

In 1871, William Glew (55) Master; Samuel Barras (58) Widower, Mate; Jane Glew (55) Master's wife and Hannah Glew (13) Master's granddaughter were aboard the vessel, "Sarah, of Hull" at or around Mexborough, Doncaster.

In 1881, William Glew (64) Captain barge was on the Stainforth and Keadby Canal at Thorne, South Yorkshire with William Barron (15) Cabin boy. Jane Glew (65) Waterman's wife, was alone at 34, Charles Square, Sculcoates.

Jane Glew died at 74 in 1890 J Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 144.

In 1891, William Glew (75) Widower, Retired keelman was living with George Milner (33) Lighterman, at 2, Trevor Street, Sculcoates, listed as a Lodger, but Milner was his grandson-in-law, married to granddaughter, Hannah. 

William Glew died at 78 in 1894 J Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 109.

John Newton and Sarah Ann Woodmancy

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John Newton, Shipwright, Bachelor, of Scott Street, married Ann Woodmancy, Spinster, of Church Street, at St. Mary's church, Sculcoates on 21 Apr 1840. Very unhelpfully, neither listed their fathers on the marriage record. Research suggests that John was the son of John Newton, Shipwright and his wife Dorothy, bap. 28 Jun 1818 in Sutton on Hull, while Ann, born Sarah Ann Woodmancy, bap. 2 May 1820 in the parish of St Andrew, Drypool (at that date in St. Peter's Church), was the daughter of Samuel Woodmancy and Sarah Linward. (Samuel Woodmancy had died, aged 41, in 1838, but that's not a valid reason for omitting to list him.)

John and Ann Newton had four children:

1. William John Newton b. 1840 D Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 22 Page 485, bap. 18 Oct 1840 in the parish of Drypool
2. Henry Newton b. 1844 M Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 22 Page 548, bap. 3 Mar 1844 in the parish of Drypool. Died aged 8 in 1852 M Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 80 and was buried on 17 Mar 1852 in Sutton on Hull
3. Ann Elizabeth Newton b. 1855 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 105, bap. 3 Jan 1855 at St. Mark's Church, Hull
4. Samuel Newton bap. 22 Dec 1858 at St. Mark's Church, Hull (1859 M Qtr in SCULCOATES 519 Vol 09D Page 107). Died, aged 8, in 1867 J Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D  Page 77, buried 21 Apr 1867, in Sutton on Hull

The mother's maiden name is listed as WOODMANCY on all of the GRO birth registrations. The baptisms list them as the children of John and Ann; on the first three John's occupation is listed as Shipwright and on Samuel's as Carpenter.

In 1841, John Newton (20) Carpenter; Ann Newton (20) and William Newton (1) were living in the household of Maria Allcrow, Lodging House Keeper in Nelson Street, Sutton, Sculcoates, which is close to the waterside of the Humber.

John Newton's Merchant Seaman's Register Ticket, issued in Hull on 22 Jul 1846, lists his date of birth as 28 May 1819 - this, I think, is a year out. He's described as being 5ft 5in, with brown hair, a fresh complexion and brown eyes. He had a cut on the forehead. He first went to sea in 1841 and was employed as a Carpenter.

In 1851, John Newton (33) Carpenter was living in Howe Street, Sutton, Sculcoates with Ann Newton (31), William Newton (11) and Henry Newton (7).

In 1861, John Newton (42) Shipwright, was living at 12, New George Street, Sculcoates with Ann Newton (40), Annie Newton (6) and Samuel Newton (2).

In 1871, John Newton (52) Shipwright was living at 17 Clyde Terrace, Sutton, Sculcoates with Ann Newton (51) and Annie E Newton (17) Dressmaker.

John Newton died, at 62, in 1880 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 163.

In 1881, Sarah Ann Newton (60) Widow, Grocer was living at 1, St Mark Street, Sutton and Stoneferry, Sculcoates (in The Groves). Living with her were her son-in-law and daughter, James Markham Redmore and Anne Elizabeth Newton and their family, as well as Sarah E Leonard (19) Domestic Servant.

In the 3rd quarter of 1882, Sarah Ann Newton remarried to Arton Massey (bap. 16 Jul 1826 in Brantingham & Ellerker, Yorkshire), son of Nathaniel Massey and Jane Arton. This was Arton Massey's third marriage. His first, had been to Emily Harriet Rhodes on 12 Apr 1853, with whom he had one son, William Nathaniel Massey b. 1855 J Quarter in BEVERLEY Volume 09D Page 89. Emily Harriet Massey had died, aged 26, and was buried on 21 Aug 1859 in Brantingham & Ellerker. His second marriage was on 16 May 1861 in Ellerker, Yorkshire to Susannah Smith, Spinster. This marriage produced no issue. Susannah Massey had died, at 62, in 1879.

In 1891, Arton Massey (60ish) Rullyman (a rully, a four-wheeled cart used in the movement of heavy goods. The operator was called a rullyman) was living at 1, St Mark Street, Sutton with Stoneferry, Sculcoates with his now third wife, Sarah A Massey (70) and Ann Taffinder (17) Domestic Servant.

Arton Massey died, at 72, on 27 Oct 1897 SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 120.

In 1901, Sarah A Massey (80) Mother-in-law, Widow, Retired Grocer, was living in the household of her son-in-law and daughter, James Markham Redmore and Anne Elizabeth Newton, at 16, Brazil Street, Kingston upon Hull.

Sarah Ann Massey died in 1908 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 114, with her age estimated as 84 - she will have been in her 88th year.

• William John Newton, Engineer, son of John Newton, Carpenter, married Mary Alice Hulme, daughter of Daniel Hulme, Whitesmith, at Holy Trinity Hull, on 5 Aug 1860. In 1881 (not found them before or since), William J Newton (40) Grocer and Mary A Newton (40) were living at Corner of Naylors Row, Southcoates. The couple don't appear to have any children. William John Newton died, at 50, in 1890, in Sculcoates.

Thomas Glew and Hannah Amelia Broomby

St Peter's Church, Drypool Green
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19th century headstones set against a brick wall in the old churchyard on the site of St. Peter's Church, near the junction of St Peter Street and Great Union Street, Hull.

Thomas Glew (bap. 1 Sep 1839 in Sculcoates), son of William Glew and Jane Clark, married Hannah Amelia Broomby (b. 1839 in Nottingham), daughter of William Broomby and Mary Ann Douse, in Sculcoates in the first quarter of 1857.

Thomas and Hannah Amelia had thirteen children:

1. Hannah Glew b. 8 Apr 1857 in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 136
2. George Clark Glew b. 1859 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 145. Died, aged 3, in 1863 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 121
3. Mary Ann Glew b. 1861 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 150. Died in 1862 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 111
4. John William Glew b. 1863 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 146. Died, aged 22, in 1886 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 122
5. Jane Glew b. 1865 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 156. Died in the 3rd quarter of 1866, aged 1 and was buried on 22 Aug 1866
6. Tom Glew b. 1867 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 137. Died 1867 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 102
7. Joseph Glew b. 1869 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 158
8. Sarah Jane Glew b. 1871 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 171
9. George Henry Glew b. 1873 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 166
10. Ernest Glew b. 1875 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 171
11. Elizabeth Glew b. 1877 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 188
12. Esther Glew b. 1879 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 174
13. Mary Ann Glew b. 11 Mar 1881 (J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 181), bap. 31 Mar 1881 at Christ Church, Sculcoates.

All of the birth registrations have the mother's maiden name of BROOMBY. And, I've checked them all and the last child is the only one to have been baptised.

In 1861, Thomas Glew (21) Mate employs 2 men; Hannah A Glew (22) and George C Glew (1) were living at 25, Harbour Square, Sculcoates. Hannah Glew (4) was with her grandparents, William and Jane Glew aboard the vessel, "Cousin Mary", then located at Oaks Colliery, Ardsley, Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

In 1871, Thomas Glew (31) employed at an Oil Mill; Hannah Glew (32), John W Glew (8), Joseph Glew (2) and Sarah A (sic) Glew (0) were living at 2, Wilkinson's Terrace, Sculcoates (which I believe was in Green Lane, Wincolmlee). Hannah Glew (13) was with her grandparents on the vessel, "Sarah", around Mexborough.

In 1881, living at 3, Lawson's Court, Sculcoates (which seems also to have been in Wincolmlee in the All Saints Parish of East Hull) were Thomas Glew (41) Dock Labourer; Hannah A Glew (42), John Wm Glew (18), Joseph Glew (12), Sarah J Glew (10), George H Glew (8), Ernest Glew (6), Elizabeth Glew (3), Hester [Esther] Glew (1) and Mary Ann Glew (3 weeks). (Hannah Glew had married in Jan.)

[Hannah] Amelia Glew died, aged 44, in 1883 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 113 and was buried on 4 Oct 1883 at St. Peter's Church in Drypool.

Thomas Glew (50) widower, married Alice Austin (30) widow, both of 7 Bourne Street, on 22 Dec 1889, at Christ Church, Sculcoates. Witnesses were William Glew and Maria Glew. Born Alice Morrow, on 4 Sep 1859, she had previously married John Albert Austin, in 1883, with whom she had two children: Alice Austin b. 1884 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 195 and George Austin b. 1 Jan 1885 (M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 183). John Albert Austin died, aged 31, and was buried on 20 Feb 1886 at Sheffield, City Road Cemetery. (Alice Austin Jnr was brought up by her maternal grandmother.)

Thomas and Alice added a further eight children:

14. Thomas William Glew b. 15 Jan 1890 (1890 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 196) 
15. Jane Glew b. 26 Mar 1892 (1892 J Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 205)
16. Maria Glew b. 3 Dec 1893 (1894 M Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 193)
17. Susannah Glew b. 28 Mar 1895 (1895 J Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 212)
18. Ada Glew b. 1898 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 225. Died, aged 2 on 17 Feb 1900 from Bronchitis and was buried on 22 Feb 1900.
19. Ruth Amy Glew b. 1899 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 227. Died 30 Sep 1899 from Convulsions and was buried on 4 Oct 1899.
20. Edith Glew b. 1901 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 228. Died, aged 10, 1911 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 306
21. Albert Glew b. 19 Aug 1904 (1904 S Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 255)

On the birth registration for Thomas William, the mother's maiden name is incorrectly listed as MURRAY; on those for Jane, Ada and Albert it's 'usefully' wrong as AUSTIN and those of Maria, Susannah, Ruth Amy and Edith, MORROW.

So yes, Thomas Glew had an incredible 21 children and 2 step-children in total!

In 1891, at 7, Bourne Street, were Thomas Glew (51) Oil Mill Labourer; Alice Glew (31), George H Glew (18) & Ernest Glew (16) Oil Mill Labourers; Elizabeth Glew (13), Mary Ann Glew (10), Thomas W Glew (1) and George Austin (6) Stepson.

In 1901, at 8, Bourne Street, Sculcoates were Thomas Glew (62) Labourer in Oil Mill; Alice Glew (42), George Austin (16) Errand boy; Thomas W Glew (11), Jane Glew (9), Maria Glew (7), Susannah Glew (6) and Edith Glew (2 months). Esther Glew (20) Embosser printer was living in the household of George Milner - who was married to her eldest sister Hannah - at 100, Spyvee Street, Sculcoates.

In 1911, Thomas Glew (71) Labourer in oil mill was living at 1 Reform Street, Hull with Alice Glew (51), George Austin (26), Thomas W Glew (21), Jane Glew (19), Maria Glew (17), Susannah Glew (16), Edith Glew (10) and Albert Glew (6). This census confirms that Thomas and Alice had eight children, of whom six were still living and two at that point had died, during their 22 years of marriage.

In 1921, Thomas Glew (81) Retired, was still living at 1, Reform Street, Hull, with Alice Glew (61), Thomas William Glew (31), Maria Glew (27) and Albert Glew (16).

Thomas Glew died, aged 85, in 1925 J Quarter Volume 09D Page 231.

In 1939, Alice Glew, Widowed, was living at 40 Staveley Road, Kingston Upon Hull with son, Albert Glew and a James Henry Fern (Lodger, presumably.)

Alice Glew died at 94 in 1954 J Quarter in HULL Volume 02A Page 271.

Alfred Redmore and Esther Glew

Estcourt Street, Hull
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Alfred Redmore (b. 1874) son of James Markham Redmore and Anne Elizabeth Newton, married Esther Glew (b. 28 Jun 1879), daughter of Thomas Glew and Hannah Amelia Broomby, at St Andrew's Church, Drypool, on 6 Apr 1902.

Alfred and Esther Redmore had twelve children:

1. Ivy Redmore b. 3 Aug 1902 (1902 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 217), bap. 27 Aug 1902 at St Andrew, Drypool. At the time of Ivy's baptism, the family lived at 7 Golden Avenue, Abbey St.
2. Annie Elizabeth Redmore b. 16 Sep 1903 (1903 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 195), bap. 14 Oct 1903 at St Andrew, Drypool.
3. Edith Redmore b. 18 Sep 1905 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 172, bap. 11 Oct 1905 at St Andrew, Drypool. Edith died, aged 1, on 16 Mar 1907 (1907 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 157) and was buried on 19 Mar 1907 at the City Cemetery, Hedon Road. The burial record lists her (highly unlikely) cause of death as 'Teething'. [1]
4. John Redmore b. 6 Feb 1907 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 206, bap. 6 Mar 1907 at St Andrew, Drypool. This time the family were living at 7 Elder Ave, Abbey St. John died, aged 4, on 7 Oct 1911 (1911 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 224) and was buried on 10 Oct 1911 at the City Cemetery, Hedon Road. Cause of death listed as 'Fever'.
5. Lily Redmore b. 18 Jun 1908 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 189, bap. 1 Jul 1908 at St Andrew, Drypool. Lily Redmore, daughter of Alfred Redmore, Printer, died, aged 20 (1928 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 203) on 24 Jun 1928 from Consumption (Tuberculosis) and was buried at the City Cemetery, Hedon Road on 28 Jun 1928.
6. Alfred Redmore b. 20 Jun 1909 S Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D Page 195
7. Albert Redmore b. 1911 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 183. Died 1911 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 112
8. Alice Redmore b. 1911 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 183. Died  1911 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 112
9. Eva Redmore b. 9 Jan 1912 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 378, bap. 31 Jan 1912 at St Andrew, Drypool.
10. Harry Redmore b. 24 Dec 1913 (1914 M Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 378)
11. Doris Redmore b. 29 Aug 1915 (1915 D Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 312)
12. Stanley Redmore b. 13 Nov 1916 (D Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 344)

The mother's maiden name on all of the registrations is GLEW.

[1] "In the 1900s, some doctors believed there was a link between teething and sudden infant death syndrome, but this is now widely believed to be incorrect. Further, many misconceptions about the symptoms of teething were held in the past, both by caregivers and by doctors." Teething - University of Leeds

It's clear that Albert Redmore and Alice Redmore, both born and died in the first quarter of 1911, were a pair of fraternal twins. Even now in our own times, twins are five times more likely to die than single babies in their first year of life.

In 1911, living at 1 Kingston Villas, Estcourt Street, were Alfred Redmore (35) Printers Clerk; Esther Redmore (30), Ivy Redmore (8), Annie Elizabeth Redmore (7), John Redmore (4), Lily Redmore (2) and Alfred Redmore (1). Confirms that by 1911 they had 6 children, with 5 living, during then 9 years of marriage.

In 1921, Alfred Redmore (46) Printers Clerk was working for Richard Johnson & Sons (engravers, lithographers, and printers), 40 Lowgate, Hull. Still living at 1 Kingston Villas, Estcourt Street also were Esther Redmore (41), Ivy Redmore (18) Milliner; Annie Elizabeth Redmore (17) Tailoress; Lily Redmore (13), Alfred Redmore (12), Eva Redmore (9), Harry Redmore (7), Doris Redmore (5) and Stanley Redmore (4). Esther Redmore completed and signed the return. 

Alfred Redmore of 28 Rowlston Grove, East Hull Estate, died, aged 59, on 8 Jun 1934 (1934 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 209), leaving effects of £144 10s 2d (worth £12,700 in 2023) to his widow, Esther Redmore.

In 1939, Esther Redmore was living in the household of son-in-law and daughter, James and Eva Robinson at 59 Mead Street, Ings Road, Kingston Upon Hull. Also living in the household was daughter, Doris Redmore, Domestic Servant.

Esther Redmore died, aged 80, in 1960, in Hull.

• Ivy Redmore married Edward Winship Lilley (b. 4 Sep 1897) in Sculcoates in 1923. They had 3 children: Miriam Ann Lilley b. 1923; Lawrence Edward Lilley b. 1924 and Cyril Lilley b. 1926. In 1939, Edward W Lilley, Horse Driver and Ivy Lilley, along with the three children, were living at 53 Rodney Street, Hull. Sergeant (Flt. Engr.) Lawrence Edward Lilley, 619 Squadron, died, aged 19, on 29 Jul 1944 and is buried at Durnbach War Cemetery in Bavaria, Germany. Edward Winship Lilley died in 1981 and Ivy Lilley in 1989.
• Annie Elizabeth Redmore married Herbert Wilson (b. 2 Dec 1909) in Hull, in 1937. In 1939, Herbert Wilson, Public Works Contractor's Labourer, and Annie E Wilson were living at 3 Chestnut Avenue, Kingston Upon Hull. They appear to have three sons between 1939 and 1950. Annie Elizabeth Wilson died in 1983 and Herbert Wilson in 1984.
• Alfred Redmore married Margaret Annie Saxton (b. 1 Dec 1910) in Sculcoates, in 1930. They had two daughters, born in 1931 and 1934. In 1939, Alfred, Margaret and their two children lived at 265 Portobello Street, Kingston Upon Hull. Alfred Redmore died, at 51, in Hull in 1961. Margaret Annie Redmore died in Hull, in 1995.
• Eva Redmore married James Robinson (b. 2 Jul 1909) in Hull, on 14 Jan 1933. They had two children, a girl and a boy in 1934 and 1936. In 1939, James Robinson, Flour Mill Journeyman Joiner; Eva Robinson, their two children, along with Eva's mother and youngest sister, were living at 59 Mead Street Ings Road, Kingston Upon Hull. James Robinson died in 1997 and Eva Robinson in 2000.
• Harry Redmore married Ethel Jean Douglas (b. 18 Jun 1914) in Hull in 1935. They had one son, born in 1937. In 1939, Harry Redmore, Sawyer Machinist, Ethel J Redmore and their son, were living in Drewton Terrace, Buckingham Street, Kingston Upon Hull. Ethel Redmore died on 22 Jun 1976. Harry Redmore also died in the Q2 of 1976.
• Doris Redmore married Peter Gasparelli (b. 1930) in Hull, in 1956 and had a daughter, born 1962. Peter Gasparelli died in 2019.
• Stanley Redmore, Gown Shop Manager, in 1939 was lodging at 111 Easton Road, Bristol. Stanley Redmore died, in Hull, on 21 Apr 2007.

Thomas Ramster and Ann Collier

Church Hill, Ramsgate
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Leading up to St George's Church.

Thomas Ramster (bap. 6 May 1821 at St Mary's Church, Brixham, Devon), son of William Ramster and Elizabeth (Betty) Johns, married Ann Collier (bap. 21 Apr 1822 at St Mary's Church, Brixham, Devon), daughter of Nicholas Collier and Elizabeth Wood, at St George's, Ramsgate, Kent on Christmas Day, 25 Dec 1845. Thomas' profession, as well as that of both their fathers, was Fisherman. Neither could read and write and both signed with an X. Witnesses were William Carlile - yet another Fisherman married to Thomas' sister, Sarah Ramster (b. 1815) - and Mary Ann Ramster (b. 1814), who was also Thomas Ramster's sister.

Thomas Ramster's Merchant Seaman Register Ticket was issued at Ramsgate on 4 Jul 1846, and tells us he was born on 22 Apr 1821, in Brixham Devon, so then 25, was 5ft 3½in, with brown hair, blue eyes, a fair complexion and no [distinguishing] marks, who first went to sea as an apprentice in 1835. This record states that he was able to write. Obviously, a quick learner in those few months, or not.

Thomas and Ann Ramster had ten children:

1. Ann Ramster b. 1846 D Quarter in ISLE OF THANET Volume 05 Page 535, bap. 27 Dec 1846 at St George's, Ramsgate
2. Sarah Elizabeth Carlile Ramster b. 1850 J Quarter in KINGSTON UPON HULL Volume 22  Page 496, bap. 31 Mar 1851 at Hull Holy Trinity
3. William Ramster b. 1853 D Quarter in KINGSTON UPON HULL Volume 09D Page 161, bap. 2 Oct 1853 at Hull Holy Trinity
4. Mary Ramster b. 1853 D Quarter in KINGSTON UPON HULL Volume 09D Page 161, bap. 2 Oct 1853 at Hull Holy Trinity
5. Thomas Ramster b. 1855 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 180, bap. 5 Aug 1855 in Hull, Yorkshire
6. Nicholas Ramster b. 1857 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 199, Died at 1 Week in 1857 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 154 and was buried on 3 Nov 1857 at Hull Holy Trinity
7. John Ramster b. 1857 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 199, bap. 27 Dec 1857 at Hull Holy Trinity. Died at 9 Months in 1858 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 128 and was buried on 16 Jul 1858 at Hull Holy Trinity
8. Catherine Ramster b. 1859 (1860 M Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 196), bap. 28 Dec 1859 in Hull, Yorkshire
9. John Ramster b. 1861 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 196, bap. 21 Jul 1861 in Hull, Yorkshire
10. Agnes Ramster b. 1863 M Qtr in HULL Vol 09D Page 213, bap. 29 Mar 1863 in Hull, Yorkshire. Died from Broncitis at 10 mths in 1864 M Qtr in HULL Vol 09D Page 151 and was buried on 19 Jan 1864 at Hull General Cemetery.

Clearly William and Mary b. 1853 were non-identical twins, who both survived into adulthood, whereas their also twin brothers, Nicholas and John b. 1857, did not. This is the only time I've seen two sets of twins born in the same family.

The Kentish Gazette on 22 Feb 1848, reported on:

ALLEGED CRUELTY TO A BOY

The magistrates of Ramsgate were occupied for some time on Thursday last, the adjournment examination of an alleged case of barbarous treatment, which was believed to have occasioned the death of a sea apprentice, named William Dixon, aged only eleven years, on board a smack belonging to Mr J Lane of Ramsgate.

The following are the particulars:-

Edward Lynden deposed that he was an apprentice to Mr Lane and was serving in the smack Adolphus. About a month ago they left Ramsgate to fish the Silver Pits. The crew consisted of five persons, viz: Thomas Ramster, the master, George Butts, the second hand, and William Blackburn, himself, and William Dixon, three apprentices. They had been at Silver Pitts a day or two, when the apprentice Dixon committed himself, and the captain of the vessel (Ramster) flogged him with a piece of line for so doing. He did this three of four times, and was flogged each time for it by the captain with a line, and once with a piece of net. When he was flogged with the net he was quite naked, and laid across the dandy wink. Previous to his being flogged, each time, he was stripped and washed with a mop in the sole tub, which was on the deck of the vessel. William Blackburn sometimes used the mop, and witness saw marks on his back when he was stripped. Blackburn on three occasions put a rope round the waist of Dixon, and put him overboard, and gave him several dippings. At daylight on Tuesday morning, when on deck, witness called Dixon up out of the forecastle, where he slept, when the trawl was hove up. He afterwards saw Dixon lying on the deck in the lee scuppers, and all hands came on deck. Dixon was stripped and washed with a mitten on the deck. He could not stand, but was held up to be washed. He was afterwards taken down into the cabin, wrapped in a blanket, and laid before the fire. They rubbed him before the fire, put on a shirt, and laid him in the bed cabin. He was then quite dead. Dixon had not had anything to eat since Monday at dinner time, which was about twenty-four hours before he died. The captain said he was not to have anything to eat. Witness did not make this statement before the coroner at the inquest on Dixon, as he was afraid he would catch it when he got to sea, all the crew having told him that he was not to say anything more than he was asked. Blackburn told him he was not to say anything about dipping the boy overboard. Dixon had been on board of the vessel about three months.

George Butts [apparently unwilling] corroborated portions of this evidence.

Mr John Medmer Goodwin, surgeon, Ramsgate, deposed, that he had made an examination of the body of the deceased. The viscera were generally healthy. The stomach was empty. There were marks, external and internal, of two blows on the back of the head, which might have produced concussion of the brain, but he could not swear that these had been the cause of death.

The Chairman severely reprimanded Ramster and Blackburn, and held them to bail to appear at the next Sandwich quarter sessions. (Ramster's bail was £50.)

What the result was at the quarter sessions, I cannot report as I have neither access to those records, nor can I find any further records in the press. The lack of the latter might indicate that nothing 'exciting and newsworthy' occurred. 

The boy, William Dixon, according to the registration of his death, in 1848 M Qtr in ISLE OF THANET Vol 05 Page 425, was 13. He was buried on 6 Feb 1848 at St George's, Ramsgate. It hasn't been possible to trace his birth, or parents.

What we don't yet understand is what 'committed himself' means in this context and that was terrible enough to merit floggings. Someone with more experience of the sea will hopefully enlighten us. Although, my instinct is to think, as it was repeated and also because of all the washing, that the boy became sea sick. We cannot apply modern sensibilities: I really wouldn't be surprised if sea sickness was then treated as a failing, worthy of punishment or that would respond to shock.

There is anyway no evidence to suggest that the Ramsters had to run away from Ramsgate and indeed the obvious reason they moved to Hull was related to the discovery of "the renowned Silver Pits, near the Dogger Bank". Before 1850 Hull wasn’t really a fishing port, but it was this, along with the arrival of the railway, that changed its history. "The “Silver Pit” was discovered and fishing boats began to arrive in Hull. The Brixham trawler was ideally suited for this particular kind of fishing." Thomas Ramster, therefore, was also "one of many fishermen from Kent and Devon who had migrated north to Hull for the better prospects offered by its proximity to the bountiful Dogger Bank and Silver Pits fishing grounds."

Thus in 1851, Thomas Ramstay (sic) (28) Fisherman; Ann Ramstay (sic) (28) Fisherman's Wife, both from Brixham, Devon; Ann Ramstay (5) born in Ramsgate, Kent and Sarah Ramstay (0) born in Hull, were all lodging in the household of Jane Crespin (27) Fisherman's Wife at 1, Ellis Place, Holy Trinity, Hull, Yorkshire. 

In 1861, Thomas Ramster (39) Fishing Smack Owner was living at 5, Edwards Place, Holy Trinity, Hull, with Ann Ramster (37), Ann Ramster (14), Sarah E Ramster (10), William Ramster (7), Mary Ramster (7), Thomas Ramster (5), Catherine Ramster (1) & William Collier (21) Fisherman from Plymouth, Boarder. 

In 1871, in Kingston Street, Holy Trinity, Hull, were Thomas Ramster (50) Smack Owner; Ann Ramster (49) - this time both, incorrectly, listed as being from Ramsgate, Kent, which I suppose depends if you're asked where you [last] came from as opposed to where you were born; with William Ramster (17) Master & Block Maker Apprentice; Thomas Ramster (16) Commercial Clerk; John Ramster (8), Ann Ramster (24), Sarah E Ramster (20), Caroline [Catherine] Ramster (11), with Edward Tennant (20), Henry Arnet (16) and William Faircliff (14) all Fishermen's Apprentices. (Hopefully treated better this time.)

Thomas Ramster of 11 Boulevard Villas, Hessle Road, Kingston Upon Hull, Smack Owner, died, at 56, on 26 Feb 1879 (1879 M Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 198) at his home address. His cause of death was given as 'Obstruction of the Bowels' and he was buried, at Hull General Cemetery, on 4 Mar 1879. He left personal effects of under £100 to his widow.

In 1881, at Boulevard Villas, 11, Hessle Road, Kingston upon Hull, Ann Ramster (58) Smack Owner was head of the household with Ann Ramster (33), Mary Ramster (28), Thomas Ramster (25) Ship's carpenter; John Ramster (19) Master & block maker; Edith A Ramster (4) Granddaughter (b. 1876, daughter of William Ramster and Mary Elizabeth Simpson); Robert Reeve (33) Fisherman; Sarah E Reeve (30) - who had married in 1873; Henry Crocomb (21) Fisherman; William T Dixon (19) and Enoch Samms (19) Fisherman's Apprentices.

In 1891, Ann Ramster (70) Mother-in-law was living in the household of Robert Reeve (43) and Sarah E Reeve (40), at 14, Boynton Street, Hull.

Ann Ramster, relic of the late Thomas Ramster, smack owner of this port, died on 28 Jan 1895 at 40 Marmaduke Street (HULL Volume 09D Page 176), aged 72.

(Youngest son, John Ramster was one of the founders of Hull City AFC.)

Edward King Redmore and Catherine Ramster

Church Street, Sutton on Hull, Kingston upon Hull
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Bernard Sharp - geograph.org.uk/p/5639705

Edward King Redmore (b. 11 Jul 1860), younger son of Henry Redmore and Martha Markham, married Catherine Ramster (bap. 28 Dec 1859 in Hull), daughter of Thomas Ramster and Ann Collier, at the parish church of Sutton-on-Hull [St James] on 7 Mar 1887. Witnesses were the bridegroom's brother and sister-in-law, James Markham Redmore and Anne Elizabeth Redmore.

Edward and Catherine Redmore had seven children:

1. Henry Claude Redmore b. 19 Apr 1888 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 266, bap. 3 Jun 1888 at St Matthew's church, Hull. Died, aged 18, in 1906 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 108.
2. Sydney Percy Redmore b. 1889 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 248
3. Harold Redmore b. 1891 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 293
4. Emily Gladys Redmore b. 25 Dec 1893 (1894 M Qtr in HULL Vol 09D 270)
5. Kenneth Redmore b. 25 Nov 1895 (1896 M Quarter in HULL Vol 09D 244)
6. Jack Redmore b. 1897 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 302
7. Robina Redmore b. 11 Nov 1899 D Qtr in SCULCOATES Vol 09D 174

In 1891, Edward K Redmore (30) Marine Artist was living at 41, Day Street, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Hull, with Catherine Redmore (31) and Sidney P Redmore (1). (Assume Henry Claude was staying with family, but have not yet found him.)

In 1901, at 78, Wheeler Street, Sculcoates, were Edward K Redmore (40) Marine Artist, Catherine Redmore (41), Sydney P Redmore (11), Harold Redmore (9), Emily G Redmore (7), Kenneth Redmore (5), Jack Redmore (3) and Robina Redmore (1). Henry Claude Redmore (12) was staying with his aunt and uncle Joseph and Ann Peacock at 65, Redbourne Street, Kingston upon Hull. (Ann Ramster, who had married Joseph Peacock in 1894, Mary Ramster and Sarah Reeve, who were also living in that household, were his maternal aunts, Catherine Ramster's sisters.)

In 1911, Edward King Redmore (50) Artist marine painter was living at 12 Cornwall Gds, Wheeler St Hull, Sculcoates, with Catherine Redmore (51) Laundress; Sydney Percy Redmore (21) Fish buyer; Harold Redmore (19) Brass finisher; Emily Gladys Redmore (17) General servant; Kenneth Redmore (15) Ship's apprentice; Jack Redmore (13) Errand boy and Robina Redmore (11) School.

Catherine Redmore (57) of 12 Cornwall Gardens, Wheeler Street, Hull, died on 24 Oct 1917 and was buried at Western Cemetery on 29 Oct 1917.

In 1921, Edward King Redmore (60) Widower was a Boarder in the household of Jasper Parnell Alsop, General Labourer Out of work, and his wife Florence, both 34, at 12, Cornwall Gardens, Wheeler Street, Sculcoates. Edward King Redmore was working as a Fish Fryer at All Gluson Fish Fry, 37 Midland St, Hull. (Catherine Ramster's brother, Thomas (who died in 1919), in 1911 had been a Shopkeeper Fish Frying in Midland Street, Hull, so one imagines he had worked for him.)

It has been written that Edward King Redmore was not as successful a painter as his father and, financially, this appears to be confirmed by a report in the Hull Daily Mail of 6 Mar 1930, with the headline HULL ORDER AGAINST CHIEF OFFICER, where his son, Chief Officer Kenneth Redmore, of Liverpool, was summoned at the Hull Police Court on that date by the Hull Guardians to "show just cause why he should not contribute 7s [seven shillings = 35p] towards the maintenance of his father, an inmate of the institution [workhouse]. Defendant whose wages were stated to be £22 per month, did not appear, and sent a letter stating that he had a doctor's bill of £10 and debts of £50 to pay. An order for 7s per week was made by Mr C. Raine and Councillor Miss H. Theilmann who were on the Bench."

In 1939, Edward King Redmore, Artist (Oil Painter) Retired, was living alone at 7 Crystal Avenue, Mussey Street, Kingston Upon Hull.

Edward King Redmore died, aged 81, in 1941 D Qtr in HULL Vol 09D Page 315.

Fishing Smacks in a Cove
Edward King Redmore 1890